... when they are hanging onto America's coat tails... viz Iraq.Devils Advocate wrote:Mowser, I know you and others hate to admit it or recognise it but Britain is one of the big boys
We used to be a world power. Sadly no longer.
 
... when they are hanging onto America's coat tails... viz Iraq.Devils Advocate wrote:Mowser, I know you and others hate to admit it or recognise it but Britain is one of the big boys
Real moral dilemma - along with bribery and corruption (do we prosecute companies like BAE for dealing with crooked Arab states in the only way they will get business?)frank wrote: we´d simply be cutting off our noses to spite our faces if we did stop manufacturing
Was a bit tongue in the cheek Jawg when I said a dozen, although some of the EU countries have only sent a token bunchJAWG wrote:Katy. I suggest you check your figures. Canada had +/- 3,000 troops in Afghanistan. As usual, Canada gets no credit for its actions. (And they were in action.)katy wrote:
Just imagine what a rich country the UK would be if they only sent about a dozen troops there like the rest of Nato countries
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study to compare the amount of profit made by selling arms to certain countries against the money we later spend on going to war with them when it is felt to be politically expedient at a later date - as happened with both Saddam Hussein and Col Gaddafi? If they did, the economic argument for the arms trade might not be so clear cut.frank wrote:We can get emotive, dealing in death etc, but we´d simply be cutting off our noses to spite our faces if we did stop manufacturing. It´s a great thought, we stop manufacturing arms and everyone else stops and the world´s a much better place, but that´s never going to happen. Unfortunately, hundreds of countries want arms, and they don´t really care where they come from, just so long as they get them.olive wrote:It doesn't make it any the less sordid.
There's no referendom, nor does there need to be.hiker wrote:Hopefully the referendum wont be too divisive.
I agree, there is no chance of one at the moment, however the French amongst others, are threatening all sorts of reprisals and they are not alone this week in suggesting our rebate should be stopped. As a Tory MP said on Newsnight, if any of these threats are implemented, then there is a real chance that they´ll be left with no option but to hold a referendum.markwilding wrote:There's no referendom, nor does there need to be.hiker wrote:Hopefully the referendum wont be too divisive.
Cameron opted out, so no change in any power being given to the EU, so no referendum.
All this talk of one is wishful thinking
I wish I could adequately convey the intensity of the anti-British feeling in the European Parliament. In today's debate on last week's Brussels summit, speaker after speaker rose to denounce our entire nation as selfish, narrow-minded and arrogant. These were not speeches from backbenchers: they came from the spokesmen of the big three parties which, among them, account for three quarters of all MEPs.
Some spoke vaguely but menacingly of retribution, of making us feel the consequences of our isolation. Others were more specific. Joseph Daul, the Alsatian leader of the EPP, gave us a timely reminder of why David Cameron was right to pull out of that bloc with his demand that, simply as a first step, the UK rebate be removed.
The good people at The Times obviously ignored you.I am already sick of Salmonds divisive talk.
The Times 2011 Briton of the Year award.... Alex Salmond.
Another myth. I thought Forsyth was above all this.Rules governing the growing of cucumbers are more zealously enforced.
What myth? "Bent" Cucumbers were indeed banned, they have since relaxed the law but they are sold as Class 2 cucumbers. The Germans said so, so it must be true!Mowser wrote:Another myth. I thought Forsyth was above all this.Rules governing the growing of cucumbers are more zealously enforced.
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