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Female dogs

Postby Jool » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:55 pm

Can´t have a topic of just stars!!

I know I´ll probably create some fun here but I was firmly told by a harridan, who would not accept that anyone other than her knows anything about dogs, that female dogs in season need to be locked in a steel cage to stop them going demented to go and find the nearest.........

She also said that having them spayed would calm them down.......

Its no secret that I have only ever had males before so can anyone confirm to me if this is what I think it is - a load of old tosh....? I thought it was only males who were mad and gagging for it, females put up with it.........well the dog kind anyway :lol:

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Re: Female dogs

Postby K chameleon » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:22 pm

Totally agree with you Jool " a load of old tosh".
I would have thought locking her in a steel cage would make her 'demented'.
I know some people use cages for puppy training, etc., maybe they adapt?
When they go in kennels, they're locked in cages. (luckily, never had to use them) But I know there are lots of excellent kennels over here :)

When our Collie Bitch was in season, she'd look very sorry for herself, (mind you, she would be wearing an old pair of pants) or was constantly cleaning herself. We still took her out for walks, on the lead.(comando)

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Re: Female dogs

Postby princess peach » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:50 pm

I always use cages for training puppys,usually they sleep at night in them or i use them if i go out,to prevent any injury or chewing.I would never lock a lady dog in a cage if she was in season,unless i was going out and couldnt confine my male..
Jool,i have found when Ruby isnt in season,she likes to use her lady smells to distract the male to get a toy he may have...quite funny to watch,she actually straddles his head,until he drops the toy and sniffs her bits. :lol: then of course she gets whatever she was after and does a runner...
I have found when she IS in season,if he goes near her she gets very agressive and doesnt like him "bothering "her.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby TinaTapas » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:19 am

Hi Jool

It tends to be the male dogs (especially if they've not been neutered) who go bananas if they catch a whiff of an entire bitch.

When an entire bitch is on heat, walking her on a lead is a given, as you never know what dogs you're going to meet......not pleasant having to try and fend off an overeager dog especially if he's a giant breed.

My wife would advise castrating the entire male species as an answer, especially if I'm in her bad books :lol:

On a serious note, it's a good idea to get any females spayed/neutered, in order to avoid any health problems in the future.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby Jool » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:03 am

Thanks everyone, its what I thought, this unknown harridan launched into me (when out with the two of them) demanding I have them spayed ASAP and not to listen to any vet advice to wait until after first season......

Tina - spaying is a definite but not before their first season, on veterinary advice.

One more question - does spaying actually calm them down afterwards? I had only heard it had that effect on males....

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Re: Female dogs

Postby crazyred » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:14 am

My first dog was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier who used to suffer with PMT ( :lol: :lol: :lol: ). She used to mope about in her basket and only wanted to go out to do her business. She was also completely frigid!!! We did want to breed her as she had a very good pedigree and a great temperament. When the 'experienced' stud dog arrived and tried to mount her, she did her 'Staffy roll' into his legs and clamped her teeth round his throat!! We all looked at each other, unclamped her from his throat and the stud dog went home looking frustrated. We also used to have a really annoying Jack Russel who used to sit outside the back gate whining & barking whenever she was in season. The only way to get rid of him was to send her out to deal with him!!
She died at 16, unspayed, no puppies & with her cherry still intact.

Some males don't calm down after spaying and get worse, some can turn into gibbering frightened wrecks and some it makes no difference. Some are so highly charged (like my Reggie) that it seems kinder to spay. I'm thinking about this at the moment as I had wanted to get a female & have my own Presa pack but, as things haven't worked out as I would have liked and we haven't got a house with land yet, I think it may be kinder to have him spayed for his mental health and also for his poor blanket that is getting shagged to death :lol: :lol:

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Re: Female dogs

Postby anis » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:04 pm

"On a serious note, it's a good idea to get any females spayed/neutered, in order to avoid any health problems in the future.TinaTapas "

I agree with that completely. One of our retrievers developed pyometra ( sorry - think that's how you spell it ) and nearly died.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby K chameleon » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:23 pm

I need the practice. (hope this works :wink: )
Pyometra in the Bitch

From an Original Text by Jenny King


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In its simplest terms, pyometra is an infection of the uterus or womb. However in most cases pyometra infections are much more difficult to manage than routine infections.

Infection in the lining of the uterus is established as a result of hormonal changes. Following oestrus ("season", or "heat"), hormone levels remain elevated for 8-10 weeks to prepare the uterus for, and maintain, pregnancy. If pregnancy does not occur the lining continues to increase in thickness until cysts form in the walls. This thickened cystic lining secretes fluids which are ideal for bacteria to thrive in. The wall of the uterus is also inhibited in its ability to contract and remove the cystic fluid. When infected by bacteria this fluid becomes pus. Sometimes the fluid becomes purrulent without bacteria being present.

This situation tends to become more intense as the bitch gets older, particularly if she has not been used for breeding. This explains why this condition usually effects older dogs. It can, however, occur in dogs of any age. Pyometra can be a possible complication of the use of hormonal treatments, for example when used as contraceptives, or to treat misalliance, and this is one of the main causes in younger bitches.

The cervix is the gateway to the uterus. It remains tightly closed except during a season or when giving birth. When it is open bacteria that are normally in the vagina can enter the uterus very easily. If the uterus is normal, the environment will not encourage bacterial survival, however when the uterine wall is thickened or cystic, perfect conditions exist for bacterial growth.

The typical timing for the disease is 1-2 months after your bitch has been in season.



Clinical Signs and Diagnosis

The clinical signs will depend on whether or not the cervix is open.

If open, pus will drain from the uterus through the vagina to the outside. It is often noted as a purrulent (pusy), bloody discharge on the skin and hair under the tail or on bedding and furniture where the dog has laid. It may or may not have an odour. Fever, loss of appetite and depression may or may not be present.

If the cervix is closed, pus that forms is not able to drain to the outside. It collects in the uterus, which will cause an apparent swelling of the abdomen. The bacteria and pus in the womb release toxins, which are absorbed into the blood. These bitches will become very ill rapidly. They are off food, very listless, depressed, may vomit and have diarrhoea and will be drinking very excessively. The toxins will affect the kidney function and may cause permanent kidney failure in the bitch if the condition is not treated quickly. A blood test may be taken to estimate the damage to the kidneys before and after surgery. Efforts are made in treatment to minimize the risk of kidney damage.

A female dog which is not spayed, drinking an increased amount of water, has had a recent season and is unwell is always suspected of having a pyometra. If confirmation is required, such as with a closed pyometra, blood tests will show signs of severe infection, an increased no of white cells in the blood and signs of kidney failure. These are present in all very serious infections however, so an x-ray is often used for confirmation. This also has the advantage of being done immediately at the surgery, and will show if your bitch has a uterus which is full of pus. If the cervix is open there may be minimal uterine enlargement and x-rays are more difficult to interpret, however in this case the discharge from the vulva is usually diagnostic.


Treatment

An IV drip is used to minimize the kidney damage and to help repair dehydration. An anaesthetic will not be attempted until the risks of anaesthetic complications are made as small as possible. Usually 6-12 hours of fluids will be administered before the anaesthetic and at least 24 hours after the surgery. This will depend on the amount of kidney damage and the recovery of your bitch. She may be on a drip for several days after the surgery.

A general anaesthetic and ovario-hysterectomy, removing the ovaries and uterus of the bitch, is the preferred treatment. Antibiotics will often be given for 1-2 weeks after the surgery.

Stitches will be in for 10 days and the dog must not lick them.

There is a medical treatment for pyometra, although it is very risky. Prostaglandins are a group of hormones that reduce the blood level of progesterone hormone, relax and open the cervix and contract the uterus to expel bacteria and pus. They are not always successful and have some serious limitations.

Prostaglandins cause side effects of restlessness, panting, vomiting, diarrhoea, salivation and acute abdominal pain. These occur within 15 mins of an injection and last for several hours. Successive treatments are always required 2-3 times daily.

There is no clinical improvement for at least 48 hours, so dogs, which are very ill at presentation at the veterinary surgery, have a very poor prognosis with this treatment. While waiting for the treatment to work, a bich can deteriorate to a level which makes surgical treatment very much less likly to succeed, and the chances of permanent damage from the toxaemia to be much more likely.

Because prostaglandins cause contraction the uterus, it is possible for the uterus to rupture and spill infection into the abdominal cavity. This is most likely to occur when the cervix is closed and is often fatal.

There are some statistics you should consider before choosing this treatment.


The success rate for treating open cervix pyometra is at best 75%.


The success rate for treating closed cervix pyometra is only 25%.


The rate of reoccurrence of pyometra at the next season in bitches which do recover is 75%. The severity is usually increased.


The chances of subsequent successful breeding are at best 50%.

For all of the above reasons we strongly advise that the best course of action for a pyometra (open or closed) is ovariohysterectomy as soon as surgical conditions are optimal for the bitch's survival.


Alternative Treatment?

The chance of successful treatment without surgical or prostaglandin treatment is exceptionally low. If treatment is not given quickly the toxic effects from the bacteria will be fatal. If the cervix is closed, it is also possible for the uterus to rupture and spill the infection into the abdominal cavity causing a fatal peritonitis.

Spayed bitches do not get Pyometra. If you do not intend to breed from a bitch we strongly recommend that she is spayed when young and fit, and when surgical risks to her are minimal.

(See Spaying of Bitches)


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Re: Female dogs

Postby Jool » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:53 pm

Universal advice over here is to do so after the first season to prevent urinary leakage problems and other complications such as stomach cancer by spaying too early......so that is what we are doing, money is already set aside for this.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby TinaTapas » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:35 pm

Jool wrote:Thanks everyone, its what I thought, this unknown harridan launched into me (when out with the two of them) demanding I have them spayed ASAP and not to listen to any vet advice to wait until after first season......

Tina - spaying is a definite but not before their first season, on veterinary advice.

One more question - does spaying actually calm them down afterwards? I had only heard it had that effect on males....
Sorry, skimmed your op. didn't know the age of the dog.

As for calming them down, in my experience it tends to work with male dogs, although it can take many months. With females I don't think it's so noticable, and if it is a young dog, they'll be quieter as they mature anyhow, so I'm not sure that it's measurable.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby anis » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:29 am

We had our boxer cross bitch spayed just under a year ago. She is still just as mad but doesn't chase the feral adoptee cat any more. The op didn't have any noticeable calming influence on her but it did on the previous males - it took a year with the English mastiff male. As Tina Tapas says, they calm down as they mature anyway but I think it will take this young lady 3 years :lol: :lol: I don't have to give her rock drops ( can't remeber the name of it ) any more either.

This pup was operated on her side rather than under the belly. She suffered urinary leakage about 4 months later, urinating heavily in her bedding whilst she was asleep. They seem to lose control of the muscle which controls urination.
She was given some excellent medication and the problem stopped in less than a week and hasn't returned.

I thought she was spayed a little early but did as I was told , especially after nearly losing a female to pyometra, which was very scary because we hadn't any vets left in the country we were living in at the time, due to political disquiet - only a hawk specialist and he didn't have the equipment to deal with her. It was amazing to watch this dog recover from the brink of death in such a very short space of time, after her op to save her life. She went on to live a further happy 8 years.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby TinaTapas » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:14 am

Anis, glad your dog recovered, as you know py is often fatal - you sound as though you've had a fascinating life to date! If you don't mind my asking, what country were you in at the time?

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Re: Female dogs

Postby anis » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:19 am

We were in Qatar and nearly all the vets left en masse when the trouble blew up. There were not too many of them in the first place.
The only way we could save the dog was to fly her to Dubai, where a friend of mine, a vet nurse, was waiting at the airport to take her straight to the operating room at her vets.
We knew she would definitely survive, if we could get her womb removed, so it was worth the cost and intrigue to fly her out in that condition. She recovered fully in days and the change in her was noticeable from day 1 post op - almost miraculous.
I had better not go into further details ref. intrigue, but you will understand what I mean, I think :oops: .
It was a very short flight so wouldn't make her too much worse, there were no choices in our minds anyway, it was that or she had to die for no good reason and she was only just 9 yrs old.

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Re: Female dogs

Postby TinaTapas » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:25 pm

Thanks Anis, very interesting.

Lucky dog to have such a devoted owner.


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