Are you some form of activist, as your opinions do not fit with any reasonable person's view?Jool wrote:Its not just the dog breeders with dubious morals - major dog food manufacturers/producers also lack genuine compassion for dogs as they sponsor all the dog shows in Spain at which puppies are openly sold! All the stands with puppies on are the busiest and puppies are often left at Exhbition Centres alone at night and when sold simply leave with their new owners immediately even if they have no equipment to transport them with.......not an urban myth as seen with my own eyes.
A huge missed opportunity to educate and sponsor responsible dog ownership ..... and shameful to support commercial puppy selling,
Dog shows should be banned in Europe!It is well known in animal rescue here that most puppies sold in shops or dog shows in Spain are from puppy farms. Do you know how sick many puppies from puppy farms are, their rate of ill health is excessive. One of the reasons the rule of no more than 5 animals per vehicle was introduced in the EU was to restrict the illegal shipment of puppies in to Spain and other countries where more responsible breeding takes place amongst the serious breeders (normally via the breed associations). Old Iron Curtain "EU" countries see puppy farming as lucrative and if the puppies get too old to be sold they simply kill them - did you know that?your opinions do not fit with any reasonable person's view?
What's wrong with commercially selling puppies?
Nothing at all.
What house rules?Jool wrote:WH -It is well known in animal rescue here that most puppies sold in shops or dog shows in Spain are from puppy farms. Do you know how sick many puppies from puppy farms are, their rate of ill health is excessive. One of the reasons the rule of no more than 5 animals per vehicle was introduced in the EU was to restrict the illegal shipment of puppies in to Spain and other countries where more responsible breeding takes place amongst the serious breeders (normally via the breed associations). Old Iron Curtain "EU" countries see puppy farming as lucrative and if the puppies get too old to be sold they simply kill them - did you know that?your opinions do not fit with any reasonable person's view?
What's wrong with commercially selling puppies?
Nothing at all.
It has been illegal to sell dogs or puppies in pet shops in the UK for many years due to the trauma suffered and to deter puppy farms. What do you think happens to puppies at dog shows where the likelihood of an impulse buy is far greater? Do you think it is reasonable to leave puppies as young as 5 weeks old in a pen in a cold exhibition centre with no human or parent dog caring for them for 12 hours?
Its nothing to do with activism but a lot to do with genuine commitment to and compassion for animal welfare. How can you even think that this is unreasonable?
By the way have you read the house rules recently?
So, unless you can provide a reliable source to the contrary, I think that part of what you have posted is false, i.e. relating to pet shops, sale of dogs in the UK.Pet shops in the UK are licensed by Local Authorities under the Pet Animals Act 1951. Local Authorities are able to attach conditions to the licences which are aimed at ensuring the animals welfare whilst on the pet shop's premises. What the licence can't do is prohibit the importation of puppies from, say, a puppy farm in Southern Ireland.
In the UK, a licence is also required (under the Breeding of Dogs Acts 1973 and 1991) to carry out the business of breeding dogs for sale. A licence wouldn't, however, be required for a family pet having a litter. A breeding business that requires a licence, is usually defined as the keeping of bitches who give birth to five or more litters in any 12 month period.
The Local Authority can stipulate conditions which the proprietor must comply with. The purpose of these conditions is to ensure the welfare of the breeding dogs and the puppies. The licence would stipulate that the dogs could not be mated if they are less than one year of age, can have no more than one litter per year and no more than six litters in their lifetime. The premises have to be kept in accommodation that is suitable in terms of construction, size, temperature, lighting, ventilation and cleanliness, and that precautions are taken to control the spread of infections or contagious diseases among dogs.
The proprietor is required to keep detailed records which can be examined by the Local Authority Inspectors.
All puppies bred at licensed breeding establishments in the UK are required under the Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act 1999 to be sold with an identity tag or badge which clearly displays information about the licensed breeding establishment it was born at.
Given that dogs cannot be sold in markets I understand this covers dog shows also......in the UK, looking at this list it seems Andalucia is a good 50 years behind the UK in this respect.1822: The Cruel Treatment of Cattle Act - the world's first parliamentary legislation for the welfare of animals - bans the torture and abuse of cows and sheep, on pain of a £5 fine.
1824: The RSPCA is founded.
1860: The Battersea Dogs and Cats Home is established.
1911: The Protection of Animals Act is passed. Those who fail to care properly for domestic or captive animals can be prosecuted.
1951: The Pet Animals Act is passed, required all pet shops to be registered with local authorities, and forbidding the sale of pets at markets and on the streets.
1960: The Abandonment of Animals Act makes it illegal to abandon an animal "in circumstances likely to cause the animal any unnecessary suffering".
1973: The Breeding of Dogs Act is approved, obliging all breeders to register with their local authority.
1999: Amendments to the Breeding of Dogs Act set limits on mating, and require breeding and trading records to be kept.
2006: The Animal Welfare Act is passed. Owners are now responsible for ensuring all their animals' needs are met.
2007: The mutilation of dogs by tail docking is banned, with a few exceptions for certain breeds.
2009: Defra launches the Welfare of Dogs code.
(but especially with regard to animal welfare!!)Yes, I had read them before, just checked them again.Jool wrote:House Rules at the beginning of the section on A.com
That's fair enough, I was just looking for the truth.Your link info relates more to breeding establishments but I find that it is not actually illegal to sell puppies in shops but it is discouraged and pet shops belonging to an Association did ban it, there are moves to create a government ban but it has not happened yet.
I commend people who actively have a passion for a cause, but accurate information in support would be much better than posting falsehoods.for those wanting to support action against selling puppies in shops and against puppy farms please see link below
http://www.dogs-r-us.org/whatyoucando.shtml
indeed! But will anyone take any notice??? 
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