Intergrate or Surrender..?

[JAWG]

Detuorer stated

Of course the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims are peace loving and just want to get on with their lives,

That is very true. Unfortunately they are cowed by the very vocal minority, many of whom are, unfortunately, in positions of religious power who refuse to speak out against the terrorists. The general population are afraid to speak or act against the minority for fear of being barred from "paradise".

That is my opinion, anyway.

[detourer]

Exactly what I was saying...........but be careful or you will be labeled a "bigot" for such an outlandish and sweeping view

[detourer]

[quote="pete_l"There's an interesting piece here about why most suicide bombers are muslim. More specifically: young, male muslims. [/quote]

Hi pete......Now I am really worried. Sex starved Nun's, Monks and Virgins starting a "terror campaign".......

[laclotte]

detourer............You are no doubt right regarding the (now) percentage of Muslims in SA.....2% 'sounds' on the low side, however no doubt you have done a Google search However............did I saw that my students were all SAF's? No.....whilst some were from SA (2/3/4 generation Indian - SA had, in my time, the largest population of Indians outside India) most students were from the more 'affluent' Indian families......in India and other countries! And it was only the Muslim families who could afford the fees. I did have a few 'lower cast' students...normally highly intelligent and on a bursary from the USA.
Why did students from India / Kenya study in SA........I can only assume it was the excellence of the lecturers

[laclotte]

What is an "honourary Indian"?

During the apartheid times in SA there were 4 'categories' of 'human beings'. I belonged to a certain category (not Indian) but as I lectured in an Indian University (only Indian staff/students) I had to be declared, on my official papers, as being an 'honourary Indian' to enable me to be employed in and 'partake' with the Indian way of life in SA. Temporarily and on many occasions both my husband and sons would receive 'honorary Indian status' enabling us to join in with Indian celebrations in their local communities.

[laclotte]

[quote="pete_l
There's an interesting piece here about why most suicide bombers are muslim. [/quote]
Indeed a very interesting read - thanks.

[katy]

OFF TOPIC EVERYONE

[detourer]

No doubt you are an excellent lecturer Loclotte........so you will have no problem enlightening me on the difference between "Employment" and "Exploitation" of my Moroccan staff.....

[mhic]

Laclotte.

[quote] "I did have a few 'lower cast' students"

I have always thought the cast system was a Hindu thing.

Mhic[/quote]

[Dealer]

the Spanish do not socialise in the same way as the Brits. I have a friend, married a spaniard 20 years ago and although you may say she is fully integrated and bi-lingual, she says she often feels like an outsider.

You are so right as Spain is a society of extended families that's why they socialise different to how people in the UK do. Many times a person in the UK will value a friend more than a family member as society there is more dysfunctional. Which one is better god only knows as both work for now just that they are so very different. Once you understand that you as an outsider can only be tolerated and never fully accepted into an extended family you will find life here more comfortable.

Suffice to say that we in my family (travellers) would never accept one of you lot just tolerate you.

[laclotte]

I have always thought the cast system was a Hindu thing.
Mhic

Just my point! Hindu students were by far in the minority.
A quote from the caste system in India for clarification:
India has a hierarchical caste system in society. Within Indian culture, whether in the north or the south, Hindu or Muslim, urban or village, virtually all things, people, and groups of people are ranked according to various essential qualities. If one is attuned to the theme of hierarchy in India, one can discern it everywhere. Although India is a political democracy, in daily life there is little advocacy of or adherence to notions of equality.

[citymike]

I get a bit 'fed up' of being told I have to integrate, to live in Spain

Well, in my experience the expats weren't at all interested in speaking with me and so I was forced to integrate. It was rather amusing, actually, because after being forced to communicate with the Spanish I was then sneered at for thinking I was Spanish. Nowt so strange as folk, hey?

[spanish hopes]

Well, in my experience the expats weren't at all interested in speaking with me

I know the feeling mike.

[pete_l]

If you want to know what it means to not be accepted by your community, have a look at this.

The Widds apparently spent three months with the 26th Artillery
Regiment in Iraq* before relocating to the village of Callac in western
Brittany to open a restaurant. Unfortunately, they received a rather
warmer welcome than they were expecting when they were "woken in the
night by smoke and fumes and found their car on fire in front of the
restaurant

[annie_d]

But isn't that the way of most of the world's groups?
Daily, I struggle to be even tolerant.

[katy]

So do I