Buying a property and AFO's

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby rickj » Tue May 28, 2024 2:31 pm

Hm. So far AFO’s seem to be more a buyer’s way of getting the price down than solving anything. We are currently selling a property where a pool was built 7 years ago, with an application for a license for a balsa, that was refused in the end. So, an illegal pool. It now has it’s certificate of antiquity, we’ll see. So far we intend to not listen to any buyer who’d want an AFO. If you want an AFO this property is not for you.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby Pamela1 » Tue May 28, 2024 3:18 pm

Then sell to Spanish, who in all honesty are not that bothered.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby El Cid » Tue May 28, 2024 4:06 pm

But the Spanish won’t pay the prices that foreigners (who were probably conned when they bought it) think it’s worth.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby ashtondav » Wed May 29, 2024 3:31 pm

rickj wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 2:31 pm Hm. So far AFO’s seem to be more a buyer’s way of getting the price down than solving anything. We are currently selling a property where a pool was built 7 years ago, with an application for a license for a balsa, that was refused in the end. So, an illegal pool. It now has it’s certificate of antiquity, we’ll see. So far we intend to not listen to any buyer who’d want an AFO. If you want an AFO this property is not for you.

It’s a DAFO. Not AFO.

The main reason we want one is to apply for permissions for a new drive, patio and other stuff. Of course you can do this without a DAFO and permits but here in Frigiliana we have a very active guardia rural (suprono?) who has spotted such work and when no documentation is produced has enforced stoppage of work.

We started proceedings to get a DAFO 3 years ago and are just getting near to getting one. The last requirement was a water enhancement system so the water can be tested as “drinkable”.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby rickj » Wed May 29, 2024 4:40 pm

Suprono

Seprona? Are they interested in driveways these days? Are you in a nature reserve or something?
And a water enhancement system, you are not connected to the mains water?

Sorry to hear your predicament, situations vary from property to property of course.. we may have been lucky, first thing we did was put up a fence, planted with prolific climbers. No one has bothered us about patios or even the pool.

Did your town hall explicitly tell you they wanted a Dafo or else you cannot do a thing?

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby Wicksey » Thu May 30, 2024 8:16 am

People just build away in our valley. New casitas, reforms, extensions no problems. One of our neighbours is a Guardia Civil officer so maybe there's a special dispensation for our area .... it's who you know around here I think.

If they now want drinking water quality then no house here will ever get a DAFO as there's no potable water here at all. It is agricultural water or well/bore hole, and the water meter cupboards all state "agua no potable" on them. Whenever we sell it will have to be to someone who doesn't want one or we'll just drop the price accordingly.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby El Cid » Thu May 30, 2024 8:25 am

I wasn’t aware that you had to have potable water. Virtually all non urban properties are without. There also many urbanisations without town water. What you might need is a water treatment system, such as a reverse osmosis unit. These are small and inexpensive and only need to have one tap.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby Pamela1 » Fri May 31, 2024 12:11 am

We have potable water and our property is non urban, i guess we are lucky in that respect. Our water charges are usually around 25 euros each quarter, not surprising because we are not there enough. However when we are there the charges don't rise much more than that, the surrounding neighbours and ourselves are all part of a consortium, we all pay 60 euros a year into a kitty which pays for a local plumber to attend to any burst water pipes which do occur every now and again on the short public dirt track road which all the properties use.The Junta de Andalucía are happy with that arrangement and in return adjusted the water rates for our area.
We have been considering selling for the past 2 yrs but we have never taken it seriously enough to come to a firm decision.The road is going to be tarmacked which may add more appeal for would be buyers. Having said that i do envisage we may be asked for a DAFFO and if that is the case then my thoughts are the same as Wicksey..

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby rickj » Fri May 31, 2024 1:10 pm

I feel the whole (D)AFO craze is more a way to make the price of a property lower for the buyer than anything else. An illegal build that is older than 6 years might be legalized with an AFO, you pay for the license, then what? That garage, casita or pool won’t change, and you will not get permission to do more once you have an AFO. Quite the contrary, as it is now written down what there is, and you cannot add or change anything any more.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby ashtondav » Fri May 31, 2024 2:29 pm

rickj wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 4:40 pm
Suprono

Seprona? Are they interested in driveways these days? Are you in a nature reserve or something?
And a water enhancement system, you are not connected to the mains water?

Sorry to hear your predicament, situations vary from property to property of course.. we may have been lucky, first thing we did was put up a fence, planted with prolific climbers. No one has bothered us about patios or even the pool.

Did your town hall explicitly tell you they wanted a Dafo or else you cannot do a thing?
Yes explicitly. Agricultural water and yes the town hall demanded mini water treatment chlorine based system. Here they are very observant and stop all work not authorised. And no work is authorised without a licence of first occupation or a DAFO.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby El Cid » Fri May 31, 2024 4:18 pm

If you have an agricultural water supply, that usually involves having some sort of water depósito. The purification process couldn’t be easier, treat it like a swimming pool and throw in a chlorine tablet or two!

Undersink RO systems are available for under €500.

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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby spanish_lad » Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:50 pm

El Cid wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 4:18 pm If you have an agricultural water supply, that usually involves having some sort of water depósito. The purification process couldn’t be easier, treat it like a swimming pool and throw in a chlorine tablet or two!

Undersink RO systems are available for under €500.

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exactly the way we treat it - its only for "the house / garden" we dont use it for us, so if its clean but "a bit chloriney" .. thats fine for us
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Re: Buying a property and AFO's

Postby ashtondav » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:15 pm

spanish_lad wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:50 pm
El Cid wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 4:18 pm If you have an agricultural water supply, that usually involves having some sort of water depósito. The purification process couldn’t be easier, treat it like a swimming pool and throw in a chlorine tablet or two!

Undersink RO systems are available for under €500.

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exactly the way we treat it - its only for "the house / garden" we dont use it for us, so if its clean but "a bit chloriney" .. thats fine for us
Oh it needed to be ever so slightly more sophisticated than "throw in a chlorine tablet"! the water test was at a lab. It took many a "tweaking" to get the chlorine level correct. Maybe our town council are a lot more fussy than others! And for what? we only drink the stuff from the deposito in tea so its been boiled. Everything else we use bottled. Anyway after 3 years we have our lovely shiny DAFO - pleased as punch!


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