First illegal house demolished at Vera, Almeria
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First illegal house demolished at Vera, Almeria
is this the first of thousands of British homes built with local planning consent and considered to be all above board to be demolished ?
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It's a disgrace 
but not the first time, a spanish couple on my street had their house demolised back in 2005 it was all over local press. It wasn't too long after that I decided to leave.
My heart really goes out to this British couple, all their life savings have gone into this, What will they do now??
but not the first time, a spanish couple on my street had their house demolised back in 2005 it was all over local press. It wasn't too long after that I decided to leave. My heart really goes out to this British couple, all their life savings have gone into this, What will they do now??
There is more coming out about this story by the day. It now seems it may have been in the way of the new high speed railway line that is planned for the area. If this turns out to be true (and it was in the general area where the line and station are to be built) then expect more heartbreaking stories to come as around 50 individual properties are likely to be affected to some extent by this according to a report in a local paper last year.
Truly shocking......there is a a lot about it on another forum (viva-almeria) as well......what I cannot understand is why only give them 2 hours notice so they don´t have to lose absolutely everything? I hope the neighbours are packing up to at least salvage something as the Authorities will have to demolish the rest on the same site or they will lay themselves open to damages for penalising only one couple from the site.......
Someone has suggested starting a fund for this poor couple
I am not sure it is anything to do with the train route though as those property owners have been contacted about compulsory purchase (which seems to be a derisory amount of compensation....) It seems to be another case of a law change that was made retrospective....that HAS to be against human rights?
Perhaps EVERY single north european living in southern coat of Spain should drive to Junta de Andalucia. block the car park, and demand to see the State Prosecutor all at the same time. Perhaps we should all also write to our euro MP´s just saying that uncertainty alone is affecting our human rights to happy family life etc........we need to do something en masse......
This prosecutor cannot be thinking straight as the economy will grind to ahalt if he carries on........
Someone has suggested starting a fund for this poor couple
I am not sure it is anything to do with the train route though as those property owners have been contacted about compulsory purchase (which seems to be a derisory amount of compensation....) It seems to be another case of a law change that was made retrospective....that HAS to be against human rights?
Perhaps EVERY single north european living in southern coat of Spain should drive to Junta de Andalucia. block the car park, and demand to see the State Prosecutor all at the same time. Perhaps we should all also write to our euro MP´s just saying that uncertainty alone is affecting our human rights to happy family life etc........we need to do something en masse......
This prosecutor cannot be thinking straight as the economy will grind to ahalt if he carries on........
I guess you must be in the UK then Michael whereas there are thousands of law abiding spanish and english families just trying to earn an honest living who will lose everything through no fault of their own, if the economy does grind to a halt.....electricians, window and door companies, bars and restaurants, airport staff, supermarkets, the list goes on and on........
IMHO this seems to be a political issue introduced by this inept pretend government that gained power by accident, and as with all socialist governments in the end works to further their own interests and seeks to flatten enterprise and be draconian instead of humane or even sensible in any area of government. The only good thing they have changed are the traffic laws as these clearly work and I am no longer scared by drunken drivers when driving on the motorway at night as they are not there![/u]
IMHO this seems to be a political issue introduced by this inept pretend government that gained power by accident, and as with all socialist governments in the end works to further their own interests and seeks to flatten enterprise and be draconian instead of humane or even sensible in any area of government. The only good thing they have changed are the traffic laws as these clearly work and I am no longer scared by drunken drivers when driving on the motorway at night as they are not there![/u]
You seriously believe that?Jool wrote:The only good thing they have changed are the traffic laws as these clearly work and I am no longer scared by drunken drivers when driving on the motorway at night as they are not there![/u]
That after a lifetime of drinking and driving, every Spaniard driving around at night is stone cold sober? You have a very different opinion of Spanish drivers than I do. If it's anything like normal, the police after having a blitz, will go back to "haciendo la vista gorda".Regards, Frank
No soy residente, simplemente un turista, ¿qué sé yo?
No soy residente, simplemente un turista, ¿qué sé yo?
It is no use wringing our hands and saying how bad this is. We have to do something now. Demolitions are starting all over Andalucia.
There is now a clear case of abuse of political power. No doubt the politicos in Seville feel they are doing the right thing for their country (as did Hitler, Amin and Mugabe ) but it is the way they are going about it that is wrong. The problem is that they know the right judges to go to in Andalucia to get their actions approved. Action has to be taken outside Andalucia and the only body able to do this without rebuttal on ´sovereign state grounss is the EU.
This has to go to the European Court of Human Rights. This, however, is a daunting prospect and needs someone with knowledge influence to lead the challenge. The obvious choice to me is Michael Cashman MEP. Does anyone still have contact with him?
This will inevitably involve costs and probably a ´Fighting Fund´ is in order. This affects pretty well every property built on rustic land in the last 20 years or so (even the 10,000 sq. m rule was really for agricultural use only – like the UK ) so a lot of people have a lot to lose. I for one would be prepared to contribute – how about others.
There is now a clear case of abuse of political power. No doubt the politicos in Seville feel they are doing the right thing for their country (as did Hitler, Amin and Mugabe ) but it is the way they are going about it that is wrong. The problem is that they know the right judges to go to in Andalucia to get their actions approved. Action has to be taken outside Andalucia and the only body able to do this without rebuttal on ´sovereign state grounss is the EU.
This has to go to the European Court of Human Rights. This, however, is a daunting prospect and needs someone with knowledge influence to lead the challenge. The obvious choice to me is Michael Cashman MEP. Does anyone still have contact with him?
This will inevitably involve costs and probably a ´Fighting Fund´ is in order. This affects pretty well every property built on rustic land in the last 20 years or so (even the 10,000 sq. m rule was really for agricultural use only – like the UK ) so a lot of people have a lot to lose. I for one would be prepared to contribute – how about others.
romero
As a non resident, my thoughts on this will be radically different to most on here.. Firstly I have every sympathy for the people affected, they must be devastated but I guess there will be a lot more to come.so a lot of people have a lot to lose. I for one would be prepared to contribute – how about others.
As for "who will lose everything through no fault of their own" I feel that buying in Spain has always been a risky business and continues to be so. It should carry a wealth warning, Buying in Spain can seriously damage your wealth! Spain in many ways is like a "banana republic", offering/accepting bribes etc has long been part of their culture, everything/everybody seems "bribable". In what other countries would you find whole town councils, from top to bottom, implicated in bribe scandals? Town councils, constructors, solicitors, they are all at it.It's endemic!So do I feel sorry for those affected? Yes, I do
Do I think it was avoidable? No, not if they insist in buying in Spain.
Will I be putting my hand in my pockets to bail out someone that could afford a luxury villa? No, I most definitely will not.
The old saying "caveat emptor" could have been coined for buying in Spain.
Regards, Frank
No soy residente, simplemente un turista, ¿qué sé yo?
No soy residente, simplemente un turista, ¿qué sé yo?
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Campo Kenny
Nothing like a good scare story to warm the cockles of some peoples hearts.
This scaremongering has been rife since we bought in Spain with people gleefully pointing you in the direction of where a house has been bulldozed to guage your reaction.
Funnily enough on a lot of the cases where I've taken a closer look there has been some amount of justification for the action..
This latest round of gloating is usually spread by people in 100 year old houses who love the saying "Anything less than 20 years old is at risk" or by non owners.
We moved from a 100 year house to a new build in spite of these stories, Am I worried? well I think about it but am confident 1 million houses are not going to be knocked down..............OK If they're in the way of a rail track or Motorway etc. then thats different, but to be trying to frighten people who've sunk their life savings into a country home up a godforsaken hill or a sea front apartment for a new life in Spain stinks and is often bandied about with no knowlege of the facts.
OK mines only a holiday gaff and yes It's got all its paperwork etc. (at great cost)...............so what if it turns out the council is bent where we are? Yes we've **** it ...............I'm not even going to worry about it though, what will be will be,
but I'd bet my last £ that it will be a "made up/stealth tax" sort of option that finally legalises the place (if it were deemed illegal) as opposed to bulldozing.
People who are trying to cut a new life for themselves over there really don't need to be hearing this sort of hyped up crap on a daily basis........IMHO
Regards,
Kenny
This scaremongering has been rife since we bought in Spain with people gleefully pointing you in the direction of where a house has been bulldozed to guage your reaction.
Funnily enough on a lot of the cases where I've taken a closer look there has been some amount of justification for the action..
This latest round of gloating is usually spread by people in 100 year old houses who love the saying "Anything less than 20 years old is at risk" or by non owners.
We moved from a 100 year house to a new build in spite of these stories, Am I worried? well I think about it but am confident 1 million houses are not going to be knocked down..............OK If they're in the way of a rail track or Motorway etc. then thats different, but to be trying to frighten people who've sunk their life savings into a country home up a godforsaken hill or a sea front apartment for a new life in Spain stinks and is often bandied about with no knowlege of the facts.
OK mines only a holiday gaff and yes It's got all its paperwork etc. (at great cost)...............so what if it turns out the council is bent where we are? Yes we've **** it
...............I'm not even going to worry about it though, what will be will be, but I'd bet my last £ that it will be a "made up/stealth tax" sort of option that finally legalises the place (if it were deemed illegal) as opposed to bulldozing.
People who are trying to cut a new life for themselves over there really don't need to be hearing this sort of hyped up crap on a daily basis........IMHO
Regards,
Kenny
First illegal house demolished at Vera, Almeria
"This affects pretty well every property built on rustic land in the last 20 years or so" ......... try to get your facts right before joining the sacremongering club.........that is absolute rubbish"
Sorry Julian but you are wrong. We are a typical example of someone with a house built in 1999 on a plot of land of 10000 sm. Our council allowed us to build and issued licences of first occupation etc. They were unable to issue a formal planning approval (although many councils did ) because the land is non urbanised under the PGOU. Our solicitor like virtually all others said that this was OK and the only way to progress on rural land. He now admits that it was not strictly legal but thousands of properties were built in this area on the same basis so we should be OK (or are we?). Apparently the only legal houses on rural land are old cortijos or replacement of ruined cortijos.
The only other safe houses are on PROPERLY urbanised land where every condition of the planning has been met.
Those, like the Priors, who did get a planning approval, certificate of first occupation and have registered the house on the land registry, are equally at risk if Andalucia, in retrospect, do not like where the house is.
Do you really think anyone is totally safe with a Junta like this?
Sorry Julian but you are wrong. We are a typical example of someone with a house built in 1999 on a plot of land of 10000 sm. Our council allowed us to build and issued licences of first occupation etc. They were unable to issue a formal planning approval (although many councils did ) because the land is non urbanised under the PGOU. Our solicitor like virtually all others said that this was OK and the only way to progress on rural land. He now admits that it was not strictly legal but thousands of properties were built in this area on the same basis so we should be OK (or are we?). Apparently the only legal houses on rural land are old cortijos or replacement of ruined cortijos.
The only other safe houses are on PROPERLY urbanised land where every condition of the planning has been met.
Those, like the Priors, who did get a planning approval, certificate of first occupation and have registered the house on the land registry, are equally at risk if Andalucia, in retrospect, do not like where the house is.
Do you really think anyone is totally safe with a Junta like this?
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