ITV cautionary tale

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ITV cautionary tale

Postby Enrique » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:04 am

Had a call from a friend yesterday.........Car just passed ITV but on getting it home a rear tyre is deflating fast.

Guessing they had picked up a puncture , removed offending wheel and looked for problem , no visible sigh of damage until I checked the valve , it had perished and came away from the rim.

Having been a Tyre fitter in a previous life........first one I seen like this as its normal practice to fit new valves when new tyres are fitted. Clearly in this case new valves had not been fitted, car is 15 years old and tyres had been replaced a few years ago. car is garaged so not out in the sun for long periods .

There is a practice/shops out here in Spain to fit second hand tyres, these can be ok but insist on new valves every time. I would not recommend using Second Hand tyres.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby ebbnflow » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:57 pm

Another one to be careful of, if your spare tyre is mounted on the outside of the vehicle without a cover.

Again my car had just passed its ITV. I found I had a slow puncture on a rear wheel so decided to pop on the spare (hitherto unused) to get me to the tyre centre. About 500m down the road the tyre literally fell apart! Fortunately I was going quite slow and came to a quick and easy halt thus saving the wheel.

Obviously sun damage to the exposed spare, so beware!

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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby markwilding » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:55 pm

Did my first ever ITV today. I'd never done one before and It was very straight forward but my question is if it's as stringent as the UK's MOT test.

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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Enrique » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:08 pm

Hi markwilding,
In theory yes..............but the thoroughness will be down to the individual Tester.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Devils Advocate » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:18 pm

My mates MOT bay has just in the last few months been fitted with the automatic "suspension wobbler" that I've only ever seen used at Algarrobo.

I'd say very similar tests but Spanish maybe more stringent on tyres and windscreen blemishes.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Enrique » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:29 pm

Especially tyres..........need to be as per the Tarjeta Inspección Técnica De Vehículos
Size, Type and load rating.

Same Tread ........ie. Make /type across the axle .
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby gerryh » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:56 pm

Enrique wrote: Same Tread ........ie. Make /type across the axle .
Once more down to the individual tester :thumbdown:
He nearly pointed out to me that the two front tyres where of different makes/ tread patterns etc.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby gus-lopez » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:28 pm

Enrique wrote:Had a call from a friend yesterday.........Car just passed ITV but on getting it home a rear tyre is deflating fast.

Guessing they had picked up a puncture , removed offending wheel and looked for problem , no visible sigh of damage until I checked the valve , it had perished and came away from the rim.

Having been a Tyre fitter in a previous life........first one I seen like this as its normal practice to fit new valves when new tyres are fitted. Clearly in this case new valves had not been fitted, car is 15 years old and tyres had been replaced a few years ago. car is garaged so not out in the sun for long periods .

There is a practice/shops out here in Spain to fit second hand tyres, these can be ok but insist on new valves every time. I would not recommend using Second Hand tyres.
I have had that 4 times on 2 different vehicles. All had new valves every time tyres fitted. I came home last year to find that the two rear valves on my MPV which had been parked up for 3 moths kept losing air & on inspection both valves looked like they had been slashed with knives. Had to have both changed. My tyre bloke says that it is reasonably common. Some sort of delamination.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Lyric » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:58 pm

I would not recommend using Second Hand tyres.
My Dad, an Architect of little mechanical knowledge, always, always said"look after your tyres son, they are your first line of defence"
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby john the baptist » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:58 am

because of the state of the roads and the amount of rubbish of the road I pick up a puncture every 2 months!!!

had to repair a bold in my front left tyre on monday, Ive given up on buying new after I bought 5 new ones after a driver decided to write off my previous car to avoid a stray DOG!!!!

the A7 is ok its the B roads and the un paved tracks in the campo that are a real problem. I guess campo living has its down side!!!

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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Torrox_campo » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:39 pm

I think with 2 wheel drive, it is quite simple as long as the tyres pair in each axle the same. With 4x4 it is more critical, since the transmission has to cope with rolling diameter difference if the pairs are of different make and model. When I purchased my car the dealer fitted 2 Chinese budget tyres to the front. I called Land Rover to query about the situation and they told the dealer to replace with 2 Pirelli verde, I paid to get the 2 rear replace at the same time. Couple month later one had a puncture and I took it to a tyre place; after the repair they fitted it a wrong way out ie. outer side faced the axle. I only realised their mistake recently and took it there for them to turn it the right way. I can't believe that these tyre place could make such a fundamental error.

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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby ajtg1952 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:19 pm

My Company car always had its tyres changed at 3mm, Company policy. Did this for 37 years.

I had no idea what a tyre cost until I had to replace 4 on my 4x4. I fell over, twice. I bought 4 of the cheapest Chinese tyres I could get; less than half the price of Michelin. That was 3 years ago and I have only just rotated them as the front have worn a little more than the back. I have never had a puncture. My track is very aggressive with 2 slopes of about 1:4. Remember, the Chinese drive cars as well.

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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby Devils Advocate » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:01 pm

I don't think wear is an issue with the cheapo tyres, just the opposite. The compound on some is so hard it takes 20000 miles to wear the pips off.

It's braking hard on Spanish country roads when the first rains come that sorts a good tyre out from a dud.

Last year I changed what looked like a super set of Michelin on our Vitara we leave out there.......I bet some people would have given me 20 quid a piece for them :mrgreen:

A spot of rain came last May and car was all over the place, simply no grip at all, I immediately ditched them for new Goodyear rubber..........450e isn't bad to make a car stop in the wet like it should, and stop squealing around islands.

The Michelins had "gone off" and become rock hard, some of the cheap tyres start off like this.
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Re: ITV cautionary tale

Postby peteroldracer » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:34 pm

From the AA: "Tyre age
As well as wearing out in use, tyres degrade naturally through exposure to heat, sunlight (Ultraviolet/UV) and rain. The amount of damage depends on the exposure and the severity of the weather.
Damage through ageing is more common with caravans, trailers and other vehicles only used occasionally. Tyres will normally wear out before they become unserviceable due to ageing.
Check for signs of cracking on the sidewalls of tyres four or five years old if your car is parked outside and get them replaced if cracking is severe. Any tyre specialist will be able to give you advice if you're not sure."
Tyres on my Terranno had plenty tread but little grip, and John at Euro AutoCentre in Velez recommended that I change them before the winter (and preferably before the itv).
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