Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

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Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:25 pm

Unless yet another extension is succesfully worked out (or a more permanent bilateral agreement), the UK driver's licence won't be acceptable and applying for a simple exchange of UK for ES ceased to be available after 31/12/2020. I'm in the unusual circs of gaining residencia in Jan 20, went back to the UK for what I thought would be a short time and got stuck there throughout; only just now returning. Apart from my experience, though, there might be others with various reasons for needing to apply for a full ES driver's licence so any information swapping would be of interest to me - perhaps others. Not wishing to replicate what's already available on DGT web pages (nor adding to any confusion) but hints and tips, experiences etc.

I'm just at the start of the process, but I've decided an autoescuela is going to be worth the spend - if only to assist through an unfamiliar system. They've provided me with a flyer for the Centro Medico Oficial de Conductores (the medical certificate is valid up to 90 days and must accompany your application to take the driving test
https://sede.dgt.gob.es/sede-estaticos/ ... .04-ES.pdf
so timing is important) and a range of courses and fees. Personally, I'll take the teorica online exam in English as, although my Spanish isn't terrible, only 3 mistakes are allowed and I don't want any of them to be because of misunderstanding the text. Whether I try to have a practical exam in English (I've read that's possible in some areas) or have a more fluent Spanish speaker in the back (allowed, so I've read) I don't know yet.

Not as a recommendation but just for comparison, my local escuela is offering a €75 basic pack for up to 1yr unlimited theory tuition (less if you do it all online at home) and online test key. €99 throws 2 practical lessons on top and €250 gets the basic pack and 10 driving lessons. I'll also need to pay up €130.05 1 week before the driving test for unspecified traffic fees (taxes) and paper management, followed (assuming I pass?) by €81 for exam ticket and paper management.

I'm going to find out how much of these costs are actual fees/taxes and how much goes to the school's "paper management" and whether I'd save a lot DIY. If you know/find out before I do, please post.

Finally, I'm a little concerned at declaring I do not hold a licence issued by another state. Is that EU state or any nation state? I hold a full UK licence that I would have happily handed over for an ES one but throwing it in the envelope only to fail to gain an ES licence would be awkward when I visit the UK.

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:48 am

I've since been told that the medical certificate must be done before taking the theory exam - increasing the possibility that you need another one before your application for the practical if you take too long. Failing the teorico (<27/30 score) canbe followed up immediately, but failing the 2nd time entails a 10 day delay before you can make a 3rd attempt. Failing this entails an 18 day delay before making a 4th attempt, so it's not something you should just try and wing in the hope of getting it right. There are some websites with practice questions in English, if you prefer, and Todotest has a lot of them in Spanish which my phone can Garble Translate straight into English (the DGT exam in English isn't perfect, but better than Garble Translate, in general).

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby elusive » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:31 am

They are still having talks and licences are valid now until the end of feb. If its not urgent you could just sit it out

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby peteroldracer » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:47 am

If the dithering stops without resolution, are you prepared to start the process being unable to drive, and with the inevitable traffic jam of applicants?
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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby Evaready » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:31 pm

I am in the process of doing this, albeit in Catalunya. The theory test is an absolute nightmare, even in English, because the translation is not terribly helpful (example, "adequate speed" actually means "appropriate speed"). You need to get the book, Quick Guide for a Class B licence and read it cover to cover many times as well as doing the online tests provided by your driving school (I did 75 of them before my second test). I failed the first time but thankfully passed the second with "just" 3 questions wrong the second time. You never find out which questions you got wrong, which means you can never learn from your mistakes. There is also a massive backlog, here anyway, for taking the tests, so even though in theory you can re-do it in a matter of days, I had to wait a month. I am now about to apply for the practical test and need a couple of lessons, but again I fear it will take some time because of the backlog and, yes, I do need to go and get another medical! Good luck with it all. Incidentally, I believe that the declaration is only for EU states so if you hold a UK licence, I wouldn't declare it because (the only benefit to Brexit that I can see) you should be able to hold onto it. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby spanish_lad » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:31 pm

interesting that people are starting to do their licences again, without arguments.. hey, thats what they all voted for, right ? :eh:
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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:23 pm

Thanks for the responses, especially evaready as that's the kind of lived experience I was hoping to gain info from. Yes, Todotest on a phone translator costs me at least 2-3 from garbled translations but even the online official past DGT questions in English
https://www.driving-school-barcelona.co ... n-english/
are literal translations that don't scan sometimes. OTOH, there are a number of key ignorances of local differences that I am glad that they're being plugged. I'd even go so far as to see the reasoning for a teorico pass before swapping another nation's licence, although I could well do without the practical. If I can find out what appointments are like in Malaga province, I'll update. I hope it's not as bad, because March is looming as well as the expense of a medical only lasting 90 days.

Unless it's explicitly required, I do think it makes sense that "UK licence for UK, ES for ES" in some part because I'd lose my UK motorcycle validity but also I imagine the co-operation will cease and I shouldn't be immunised from UK penalties by smirking and producing my new ES licence.

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:02 pm

Other sites also have mock DGT teorico exams, but so does the DGT itself:
https://sedeapl.dgt.gob.es/WEB_EXAM_AUT ... esServlet#

Click on "consultar" for the relevant driving category (Permiso B in my, and most other people's case) and a new window opens with a facsimile of the test beginning asking for your preferred language and DNI/NIE #. It's not necessary to put in your ID for this mock test. You then get 30 Qs, with the opportunity to go back, check and correct etc, before clicking "finalizar" and confirming. It then shows you, one by one, which you got correct or wrong. I've just tried it twice and got 30/30 each time but obviously I want to keep going until I make a total habit of doing that.

I'm not able to actually find the page for cita previas for the teorico in Malaga but the Jefaturadetrafico site has worried me, saying the test is 20 Qs with only two errors allowed (I'd rather have more Qs and proportionately more mistakes allowed)
https://www.jefaturadetrafico.es/dgt-examenes/

It also outlines the practical, saying it involves 10 mins answering verbals about basic mechanics and safety (in Spanish? better brush up on my car parts), 10 minutes driving to a particular destination making your own decisions (satnav allowed?) and finally 15mins driving according to the examiner's instructions. While I can, I had better get more experience in Malaga centro (not my favourite place to drive, tbh).

The DGT mock test mentioned above is still in a 30Qs in 30mins format, so I hope that Jefatura information is wrong.

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby Evaready » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:27 pm

The DGT tests are pretty useless, I am afraid, and incredibly easy compared with the actual. Before I took the theory test first time, I was getting 30/30 every time on the DGT website, so I thought I would be fine. Not so! I had only seen one of the questions before and managed to get 8 wrong- although what they were I have absolutely no idea. The only way I managed to pass the second time was doing the tests on my escuela's website (all 75 of them) and reading the book time and again. I thought it was maybe just my age and the inability to remember things as once I could, but talking to a young friend who did hers a couple of years ago, it really is notoriously difficult. best of luck with it.
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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:20 pm

Thanks for that input, Evaready. I was chuffed but not duped by the DGT mock - I think the database of Qs is quite limited as I'd seen them or their ilk all before. The Todotest website has many, many banks of 30 and, each time I do a new one, I'm lucky if I scrape 27 and more often score around 25 (sometimes, tbf, because the autotranslate on the phone is woeful). I am ploughing through them and also the ebooks on Spanish Highway Code out there but also weighing up which of the local driving schools to go with. They have in-house theory classes but neither (checked two so far) do theory in English. I'll still get something out of that, but I'd certainly prefer the timed exam in English.

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Re: Anyone applied for an ES Driver's Licence from scratch?

Postby 1bassleft » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:25 am

Just an update: I have just done Day 2 (of 5) of an intensive Zoom course organized by the driving school. 3hrs per day in Spanish is quite head-hurting but very useful. I would still prefer to take the theory in English (despite those "(a)- to change direction; (b) - to change direction choices) but it's quite handy to hear an explanation in Spanish that - translated in my head into literal English - gains more of an understanding of what the exam questions are trying to ask. Worth bearing in mind that the theory test DOES deliberately introduce "trick" questions, so it's worth using those 30 mins to study both the Q and the accompanying picture carefully to avoid the "wuh? how come I got that wrong?" feeling.


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