Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Information and questions about the Law in Spain and Andalucia.
bernipops3
Andalucia.com Amigo
Posts: 72
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:37 pm

Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby bernipops3 » Wed May 21, 2014 4:46 pm

I see from the FAQ that the conversion rate for 2013 is 1.1778€ to the GBP.

Do you have a link to the tax office site that states this please as the guy who is doing our tax return is saying that the exchange rate is taken at 31 December 2013 and should be 1.1995 to the GDP.

Thanks very much.

Bernipops

El Cid
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 16073
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:42 pm
Location: La Herradura, Costa Tropical, Granada

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby El Cid » Wed May 21, 2014 5:05 pm

Just tell him he is talking rubbish!

As far as I am aware the tax office do not publish an annual figure, just the year end one.

The figure in the FAQ is the average for the year from various FX sites.

It is up to you to declare your income in Euros. Strictly speaking, you should use the rate that applied on the day that you received the income. In most cases the income is regular over the year, so an average is OK.

Personally, as most of my pensions are paid direct into my Spanish bank I just add up all of the individual amounts. For those pensions that are paid into my UK account I take the annual total and use the average annual rate.

Sid

Beachcomber
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 11081
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:11 pm
Location: Guadalhorce Valley

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby Beachcomber » Wed May 21, 2014 5:13 pm

The exchange rate on 31st December is for declarations on the form 720 not the annual tax return which, as Sid says, is most definitely the average for the year or on individual dates on which the payments were received.
Let's go Brandon!

User avatar
Trooperman
Resident
Posts: 1074
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:40 pm
Location: Fuente de Piedra

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby Trooperman » Wed May 28, 2014 5:00 pm

My Spanish accountant (sounds grand I know!) has just completed my return for me and in his email, states the following:

We have applied the official exchange rate raised by the BCE which was 0, 84926 for the year 2013.
nil illegitimum carborundum

AndaluzCampo
Andalucia.com Amigo
Posts: 139
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:50 pm

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby AndaluzCampo » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:08 pm

Our advisor insists the rate is 0.836 and that's what's being applied.
This equates to 1.196 not 1.1778.
Is this system open to abuse, like making some extra on the side or having some clients pay more than others by applying a different rate?
Can anyone advise please?

El Cid
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 16073
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:42 pm
Location: La Herradura, Costa Tropical, Granada

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby El Cid » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:17 pm

AndaluzCampo wrote:Our advisor insists the rate is 0.836 and that's what's being applied.
This equates to 1.196 not 1.1778.
Is this system open to abuse, like making some extra on the side or having some clients pay more than others by applying a different rate?
Can anyone advise please?
Yes, he is wrong and he is costing you money by using a disadvantageous rate.

Ask him to prove that that is the official rate.

Otherwise, get another advisor - quick!

Sid

Beachcomber
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 11081
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:11 pm
Location: Guadalhorce Valley

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby Beachcomber » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:22 pm

Well you can refer him to this and take delight in telling him he is WRONG:

http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do?S ... EUR.SP00.A

You could also tell him you want the difference refunded to you forthwith.
Let's go Brandon!

User avatar
Trooperman
Resident
Posts: 1074
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:40 pm
Location: Fuente de Piedra

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby Trooperman » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Well! That's confirmed my faith in my accountant!
nil illegitimum carborundum

masterob
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 2165
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:08 pm
Location: Previously Álora but now in Milton Keynes UK

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby masterob » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:43 am

I completed my tax return last week at the Tax Office here in Alora. My financial situation is very straightforward so I go in with details of last years income and they do the rest. They showed no interest in the exchange rate I used, it seemed to be irrelevant to them as it has over the last six years.

User avatar
country boy
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 2829
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:49 pm
Location: U.K. (prev Pizarra 2000/2020).

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby country boy » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:00 pm

Same for us...no interest in the calculations, we used 1.178.coincidentally. ( I still had to pay €700 tho' grrrrr!).

El Cid
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 16073
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:42 pm
Location: La Herradura, Costa Tropical, Granada

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby El Cid » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:10 pm

masterob wrote: They showed no interest in the exchange rate I used, it seemed to be irrelevant to them as it has over the last six years.
It's not their problem. It is down to you to declare your income in Euros. How you arrive at that figure is entirely up to you.

It is a self assessment system so you can declare anything you like. If they decide that you might be not declaring it in full then they will just make you prove everything in every detail but that rarely happens to us mortals.

Frankly, they are usually so surprised to see a foreigner actually declare anything, they are more likely to send you a Xmas card than a tax demand!!


Sid

Beachcomber
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 11081
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:11 pm
Location: Guadalhorce Valley

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby Beachcomber » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:16 pm

Any query over the exchange rate used is more likely to be raised if/when the declaration is examined by a tax inspector at the central AEAT office rather than a clerk in the local tax office. I would venture to add that the staff in the Alora office, as sweet and helpful as they are, cannot be said to be totally au fait with what is going on nationally.
Let's go Brandon!

User avatar
country boy
Andalucia Guru
Posts: 2829
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:49 pm
Location: U.K. (prev Pizarra 2000/2020).

Re: Exchange Rate for 2013 Tax Return

Postby country boy » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:48 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: Absolutely!!


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 52 guests